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		<title>Comment on FIxing Things by Allen Levie</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/08/24/fixing-things/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Levie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 08:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mike and Chris for your insight and your feeling and thought-work that got you there.  I also need to renew my shift away from accusation and posturing. More on this in time as my thoughts surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mike and Chris for your insight and your feeling and thought-work that got you there.  I also need to renew my shift away from accusation and posturing. More on this in time as my thoughts surface.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FIxing Things by Chris Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/08/24/fixing-things/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 03:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Mike, this reminds me of a description of the &quot;evil one&quot; in Revelations, it says:

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

I find the the description of an &quot;accuser&quot; to be very interesting...and condemning.  

Interesting because Christ is the advocate with the Father and not the accuser.  Condemning because I am often the accuser.  And when I am, it is a sign that I am on the wrong side of things.  The accuser feels nothing of love, understanding, compassion, or interest in those they accuse.  The accuser see someone to blame; someone as the problem.  The advocate sees at least a fellow member of the human race, a brother or sister; and at most someone to rescue.  

The advocate sees others in a state of evil, such as corruption and power grabbing, as persons to fight for not against. A person to save not destroy. 

And least you think I am accusing the accuser, let me just say I am a recovering accuser...we all are. In life I am more and more convinced that there are two primary motivations: advocate or accuser.  Love is the realm of the advocate.  

And as a side note, I think history bares out that those who want to control, enslave and tyrannize, love nothing more than a fight.  They know how to turn it to their advantage every time.  This goes to a common misunderstanding that many people have that &quot;fight&quot; for freedom.  They think battle is battle, more or less.  One is like the other.  Nothing could be more wrong!  When men fight wars the objective is to destroy the other side. Simple. But in the battle for freedom the objective is to save, strengthen, and preserve the other side. Because the right minded freedom fighter understands that to become the destroyer of those who seek his destruction is only replacing their brand of tyranny for his own. There is no way around the law of the harvest; what we sow, we reap. I am not advocating passivity, I am advocating love. Violence and love are not mutually exclusive, but accusation and love are.  

The war of the advocate is asymmetrical, and when it is the tyrant is completely baffled.   The advocate&#039;s war is to show the tyrant that tyranny is not a reality, it is illusion that will crumble under its own weight. Tyranny lacks permanence, and only appears to be real when seen in the limited view of history.  Only charity endures, it never fails.  

Thanks Mike for your intriguing thoughts.  

Best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Mike, this reminds me of a description of the &#8220;evil one&#8221; in Revelations, it says:</p>
<p>And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.</p>
<p>I find the the description of an &#8220;accuser&#8221; to be very interesting&#8230;and condemning.  </p>
<p>Interesting because Christ is the advocate with the Father and not the accuser.  Condemning because I am often the accuser.  And when I am, it is a sign that I am on the wrong side of things.  The accuser feels nothing of love, understanding, compassion, or interest in those they accuse.  The accuser see someone to blame; someone as the problem.  The advocate sees at least a fellow member of the human race, a brother or sister; and at most someone to rescue.  </p>
<p>The advocate sees others in a state of evil, such as corruption and power grabbing, as persons to fight for not against. A person to save not destroy. </p>
<p>And least you think I am accusing the accuser, let me just say I am a recovering accuser&#8230;we all are. In life I am more and more convinced that there are two primary motivations: advocate or accuser.  Love is the realm of the advocate.  </p>
<p>And as a side note, I think history bares out that those who want to control, enslave and tyrannize, love nothing more than a fight.  They know how to turn it to their advantage every time.  This goes to a common misunderstanding that many people have that &#8220;fight&#8221; for freedom.  They think battle is battle, more or less.  One is like the other.  Nothing could be more wrong!  When men fight wars the objective is to destroy the other side. Simple. But in the battle for freedom the objective is to save, strengthen, and preserve the other side. Because the right minded freedom fighter understands that to become the destroyer of those who seek his destruction is only replacing their brand of tyranny for his own. There is no way around the law of the harvest; what we sow, we reap. I am not advocating passivity, I am advocating love. Violence and love are not mutually exclusive, but accusation and love are.  </p>
<p>The war of the advocate is asymmetrical, and when it is the tyrant is completely baffled.   The advocate&#8217;s war is to show the tyrant that tyranny is not a reality, it is illusion that will crumble under its own weight. Tyranny lacks permanence, and only appears to be real when seen in the limited view of history.  Only charity endures, it never fails.  </p>
<p>Thanks Mike for your intriguing thoughts.  </p>
<p>Best</p>
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		<title>Comment on FIxing Things by Yan Leychkis</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/08/24/fixing-things/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>Yan Leychkis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mikey,

I was searching the interwebs for your name and came across this blog. If you remember who I am give me a holler. I&#039;d like to know how you are doing.

Yan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mikey,</p>
<p>I was searching the interwebs for your name and came across this blog. If you remember who I am give me a holler. I&#8217;d like to know how you are doing.</p>
<p>Yan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Property and Economics: The Foundation of Politics by mike</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/03/31/property-and-economics-the-foundation-of-politics/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My libertarian leanings are more left also. I think Orwell is closest and really expresses best my concerns about the state better than anything on the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My libertarian leanings are more left also. I think Orwell is closest and really expresses best my concerns about the state better than anything on the right.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Property: To What Extent? by mike</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/03/19/property-to-what-extent/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natural law is that law which exists in a state of nature, the natural consequences of our actions, the cause and effect with naturally govern everything, every decision, every individual. That&#039;s how I define it.

And I agree that there is more equality under a Euro-style social democracy than in the U.S.

Regarding the Vanguard: I understand that it&#039;s supposed to disappear, but I don&#039;t see that happening. Do you have a good historical example of that or is it that we haven&#039;t given socialism enough time to get there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natural law is that law which exists in a state of nature, the natural consequences of our actions, the cause and effect with naturally govern everything, every decision, every individual. That&#8217;s how I define it.</p>
<p>And I agree that there is more equality under a Euro-style social democracy than in the U.S.</p>
<p>Regarding the Vanguard: I understand that it&#8217;s supposed to disappear, but I don&#8217;t see that happening. Do you have a good historical example of that or is it that we haven&#8217;t given socialism enough time to get there?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Appropriating More than Man has a Right To Own by Jason Steed</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/04/29/appropriating-more-than-man-has-a-right-to-own/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think money is the problem. I think money makes trade more practical and efficient. It does enable accumulation -- but it doesn&#039;t necessitate it. And it also enables savings (different from accumulation), and that&#039;s a good thing.

I have no problem with a monetary system -- a fungible commodity for easier exchange of goods.

And again, I think you&#039;re setting up a bit of a false dilemma between capitalist-fascism and totalitarian-socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think money is the problem. I think money makes trade more practical and efficient. It does enable accumulation &#8212; but it doesn&#8217;t necessitate it. And it also enables savings (different from accumulation), and that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>I have no problem with a monetary system &#8212; a fungible commodity for easier exchange of goods.</p>
<p>And again, I think you&#8217;re setting up a bit of a false dilemma between capitalist-fascism and totalitarian-socialism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Purpose and &quot;Bound&quot; to Property by Jason Steed</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/04/03/the-purpose-and-bound-to-property/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But neither Marx nor myself is talking about putting &quot;someone else&quot; in charge. Lenin focused on centralization only as a means for accomplishing the revolution -- he would&#039;ve moved away from that afterward. But then Stalin took over, and Stalin was a despot who made centralized power a defining characteristic of totalitarian Communism.

Marx (and I) would have the collective be in charge -- real democracy (with some safeguards against too much majoritarian dominance over minorities). No &quot;someone else&quot; in charge, but &quot;everyone else&quot; in charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But neither Marx nor myself is talking about putting &#8220;someone else&#8221; in charge. Lenin focused on centralization only as a means for accomplishing the revolution &#8212; he would&#8217;ve moved away from that afterward. But then Stalin took over, and Stalin was a despot who made centralized power a defining characteristic of totalitarian Communism.</p>
<p>Marx (and I) would have the collective be in charge &#8212; real democracy (with some safeguards against too much majoritarian dominance over minorities). No &#8220;someone else&#8221; in charge, but &#8220;everyone else&#8221; in charge.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Property and Economics: The Foundation of Politics by Jason Steed</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/03/31/property-and-economics-the-foundation-of-politics/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your last paragraph -- we&#039;re close on things. But I question your prioritization of &quot;freedom&quot; over equality, because I question what that &quot;freedom&quot; is FOR that you&#039;re intent on prioritizing. I don&#039;t see how the freedom to do harmful things should take priority over pursuit of equality. Freedom is hugely important, obviously -- and I would put the freedom to do good above equality, in priorities. But I can&#039;t justify putting the freedom to harm above equality. Libertarians (at least right-libertarians, or individualist-libertarians) want to do that, and that&#039;s where they lose me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your last paragraph &#8212; we&#8217;re close on things. But I question your prioritization of &#8220;freedom&#8221; over equality, because I question what that &#8220;freedom&#8221; is FOR that you&#8217;re intent on prioritizing. I don&#8217;t see how the freedom to do harmful things should take priority over pursuit of equality. Freedom is hugely important, obviously &#8212; and I would put the freedom to do good above equality, in priorities. But I can&#8217;t justify putting the freedom to harm above equality. Libertarians (at least right-libertarians, or individualist-libertarians) want to do that, and that&#8217;s where they lose me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Property: To What Extent? by Jason Steed</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/03/19/property-to-what-extent/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I don&#039;t really believe in &quot;natural law.&quot; Unless you&#039;re defining it in a way different from how I define it.

2. I don&#039;t agree that inequality is necessarily worse under something like state-run socialism than it is under capitalism. In fact, I think equality tends to be much better in Euro-style social democracies than it is in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I don&#8217;t really believe in &#8220;natural law.&#8221; Unless you&#8217;re defining it in a way different from how I define it.</p>
<p>2. I don&#8217;t agree that inequality is necessarily worse under something like state-run socialism than it is under capitalism. In fact, I think equality tends to be much better in Euro-style social democracies than it is in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Purpose and &quot;Bound&quot; to Property by mike</title>
		<link>http://www.theidealist.us/2009/04/03/the-purpose-and-bound-to-property/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what you&#039;ve said at the end, but it&#039;s as much an idealized version of Marx as my argument is of Locke&#039;s. If the individuals in the society don&#039;t control their own usage of the property, someone else does. And that someone else has the power and the control of the economy, making it even more unequal. If the philosopher kings can all be like Plato sees them, great. But it doesn&#039;t happen that way. You have Lenins and Stalins and Maos come along who pervert the purity for selfish reasons and the system fails and the abuses are staggering. Better for me to attempt to point out to believing individuals the inconsistencies between their beliefs and their actions than to resort to an imposed civil structure that allows for rapid and exploitative accumulation of power.

Again, between us it&#039;s a matter of emphasis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what you&#8217;ve said at the end, but it&#8217;s as much an idealized version of Marx as my argument is of Locke&#8217;s. If the individuals in the society don&#8217;t control their own usage of the property, someone else does. And that someone else has the power and the control of the economy, making it even more unequal. If the philosopher kings can all be like Plato sees them, great. But it doesn&#8217;t happen that way. You have Lenins and Stalins and Maos come along who pervert the purity for selfish reasons and the system fails and the abuses are staggering. Better for me to attempt to point out to believing individuals the inconsistencies between their beliefs and their actions than to resort to an imposed civil structure that allows for rapid and exploitative accumulation of power.</p>
<p>Again, between us it&#8217;s a matter of emphasis.</p>
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